Strategy was the demand side of the Bitcoin story for five or six years.
Bukele, Bitcoin & Wall Street: The Fight for the Future of Civilization | Max Keiser & Stacy Herbert
Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert join THE Bitcoin Podcast for a fiery, wide-ranging conversation on Bitcoin’s Wall Street problem, El Salvador’s renaissance, and the culture Bitcoin lost.
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1 Strategy was the demand side of the Bitcoin story for five or six years.
6 OK, so let's choke this company so that they've got to cough up some of that Bitcoin, which they're now doing.
11 Anyone in that band of financialization went through the exact same learning curve as everyone in the previous ages of Bitcoin.
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It was the Saylor era.
And now vulnerabilities in the strategy have been exposed.
Hedge funds are after them.
Right? They've got, what, 600 and something thousand Bitcoin.
OK, so let's choke this company so that they've got to cough up some of that Bitcoin, which they're now doing.
Do you think Saylor's been a net positive for Bitcoin?
He has said a couple of things that go against the ethos of Bitcoin.
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Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert join THE Bitcoin Podcast for a fiery, wide-ranging conversation on Bitcoin’s Wall Street problem, El Salvador’s renaissance, and the culture Bitcoin lost.
We discuss how President Nayib Bukele transformed El Salvador from a country defined by violence and despair into a global symbol of security, optimism, and Bitcoin-powered possibility. Max and Stacy explain why they see El Salvador as the leading example of a new freedom model built around Bitcoin, AI, education, energy, and strong governance.
The conversation also dives deep into Bitcoin’s financialization: Strategy/MSTR, Wall Street, ETFs, treasury companies, self-custody, “number go up” thinking, and the danger of reducing Bitcoin to just another asset on a brokerage screen. Along the way, we explore memes, cypherpunk culture, circular economies, AI, sovereignty, civilization, and why Bitcoin must remain rooted in freedom—not fiat nihilism.
Plus: Bitcoin Historico, Coco Max, fake chocolate bars, and why it’s all Matt Odell’s fault.
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