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June 24, 2025 · 1h 40m

BITCOIN ADOPTION, SELF-CUSTODY, ECASH & FIGHTING STATE CONTROL | Evan Kaloudis of Zeus

"I think if Bitcoin stays where it's at with the small community it has and it's just used as it is now–store value, ETFs, shiny rock under the bed, gold 2.0–I'll consider it a colossal failure. So we need to build out these circular economies and make sure Bitcoin gets used for commerce everywhere."

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1 I think if we just, if Bitcoin stays where it's at with the small community it has and it's just used as it is now, 2 store value, ETFs, shiny rock under the bed, gold 2.

3 So we need to build out these circular economies and make sure Bitcoin gets used for commerce everywhere.

6 And the more that individuals act, we act collectively in pushing this technology, 7 then the higher chance it is to succeed and the harder it is for the state to snuff it out.

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I think if we just, if Bitcoin stays where it's at with the small community it has and it's just used as it is now,

store value, ETFs, shiny rock under the bed, gold 2.0, like I'll consider it a colossal failure.

So we need to build out these circular economies and make sure Bitcoin gets used for commerce everywhere.

Really, Bitcoin needs everyone. Bitcoin needs you.

And its success is not inevitable.

And the more that individuals act, we act collectively in pushing this technology,

then the higher chance it is to succeed and the harder it is for the state to snuff it out.

We still have a long way to go.

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Walker America talks with Evan Kaloudis, founder of Zeus, to discuss Bitcoin adoption, improving UX, orange pilling struggles, merchant adoption, self-custody, the Lightning Network, eCash (Cashu), CBDCs, resisting state overreach, and the future of Bitcoin development. They also discuss how Evan kept developing Zeus in the USA, even when other companies were leaving the country and cutting off access for Americans.